@Eden Ekendahl, I've often wondered the same thing as I notice contributors tend to have a quite personal tonal fingerprint from week to week where one individual's mixes always show tonal similarities over time. Obviously a lot of variables in play, but I've always assumed that monitoring situation has to be near the top of the list. Close second is probably just personal taste for what a 'good' mix sounds like.
My mix isn't in the video, but for the record, I work back and forth from headphones to monitors. Generally I do most of the early session work on headphones and switch more to speakers when the project is nearing completion. I have a smallish, but reasonably well treated room and use Sonarworks for both my monitors and my phones. (Even with the treatment my listening spot suffers from some severe standing waves in the low end.) I also use CanOpener from Goodhertz in my headphone chain. This plugin really makes switching between phones and speakers a lot easier, though switching it off every now and then is probably good to see what things are going to sound like for normal headphone playback. (I'm old and still like my music primarily through speakers versus earbuds or phones.)
My phones are Sennheiser HD600's and my monitors are Adam T5V's.
@Eden Ekendahl I mainly use ATH-M50x headphones, and will occasionally switch them out with Ultrasone Performance 880's, which are definitely not intended for mixing but can be good to refresh the ears a bit. Unfortunately I don't have a space where I can set up real monitors. But usually I will do several passes of testing my mixes in the car or other stereos and tweak according to what I heard there - although I usually skip that step for these weekly mixes due to time.
I had not heard of Sonarworks before, I'll have to think about trying that.
@Tyson Arp nice that you are going with the classic Sennheiser HD600! I guess it's one of the most loved headphone in the world of audiophiles. I wish I would have gotten that one instead of my 660S, or I wish I would have gotten the 660S 2.
@Jesai V, heard good things about Dynaudio but never heard them in person. Cool that you are using planar magnetic headphones, I've been having my eyes on the MM-500 for a while now, but it's a lot of money :S ....I know they have a cheaper version out now but I don't mind saving up if it's better.
@Eric St-Onge , yeah sonarworks is pretty nice =) if you don't have much space I think the iLoud MTM speakers are very small and works as desktop speakers, they seem to have great bass for being so small but I have never tried them. Also heard good things about the the Genelec 3010 and Neumann kh 80 and those speakers are also sort of desktop speakers.
I also don't have speakers atm so I feel you man! I used to have Adam A7X but sold them. Now I'm saving up for Neumann kh 120ii with kh 750 sub and M1 calibration mic.
@Eden Ekendahl , a very good choice, this Neumann setup. I have the same setup. I am 100% satisfied with them. The sub is essential for the beautiful representation. It gives a very tight bass and sub bass down to 20Hz, and I am always confident that the low end of my mixes is fine, not having to worry about frequencies I might not be able to hear. Last december I also bought a pair of Neumann KH 80 DSP for on location work. I hooked them up with the KH 750 sub and
.... I couldn't tell the difference from the KH 120 II. So that's a much cheaper solution but with the same result. On their own the KH120s and KH80s sound different, both sounding a bit forward in the low mids and less confident in the bass section, but in combination with the sub both options are perfect. I'd recommend to also buy the calibrating microphone, the MA1, which makes corrections for room issues.
I mix primarily in headphones and moved from HD600s to Neumann NDH 30s late last year (and think it made a big difference for me). I use my monitors (& other systems) for cross referencing. I was surprised I hear the lows better in the 30s more than my monitors (adam a7x)
@Aart DB, Wow! Is it really no difference (at all?) between the kh 80 and 120ii with sub+m1? I have understood that Neumann has the same sound signature on their stuff, even for their headphones but I figured at least something needs to be better for that price and size. Like cranking up the volume without hearing any distortion should be better on the kh 120ii no?
But yeah, going with the kh 80 would save me a lot of money =)
@Eden Ekendahl , I wouldn't dare to say no difference at all, but it makes sence they sound so similar, because both KH80 and KH120II have the same tweeter. As the sub takes over the deep end, the woofers only need to represent part of the mid frequencies. Maybe playing them very loud would show a difference but I wouldn't know because as loud as my ears can bear, the tiny KH80's still sound very clean, so clean even that you don't realise it's loud! Of course they would sound different without the sub, but if you're gonna use them with the sub it's clearly hard or impossible to spot a difference. Maybe you'd like to read a review: https://www.soundonsound.com/reviews/neumann-kh80-dsp
@Aart dB@Eden Ekendahl - I find the 30s to be less mid heavy and more detailed as a result, and the bass is much better than the 600s or my monitors - I think that was the biggest thing I noticed in feedback after making the switch. They are less comfortable than the 600s, by quite a bit (I ended up getting some additional cushioning). Supposedly they translate well with the kh120s
From the complete and utter hobbyist corner here, I use Sony 7506 headphones mainly. I do have KRK Rokit RP5 speakers and have recently been given an Eris Sub8, however being in a totally untreated room, the headphones are the main point of reference. I also use headphone correction software (sometimes) and have Abbey Road Studio 3 and Sonarworks.
Out of interest: a) does anyone here have any experience of the (very heavily advertised) Steven Slate VSX headphone system? b) what is your best advice on getting started with room treatment?
(Neither may happen as this is all hobby spending with no return - other than personal satisfaction if and when favourable comments are received on this site - but any advice here would be a great help towards that decision....)
@Maurice Robinson , first of all I recommend to find comprehensive material about the subject of room treatment. In the Learn section of this site there are a number of lessons for instance. Roughly you could split the matter in two: positioning and actual room treatment. Room treatment is vital for acoustic recording, but less so for mixing purposes. More important is your listening position and the speakers' in the room. Avoid being too close to a wall or corners. Try to have a symmetrical setup in relation to the rooms dimensions. If you want to spend a little money on treatment, start with putting absorption panels on the walls and ceiling closest to you on the spots where your monitors bounce the sound towards your ears. Again, you best find comprehensive reading matter on the subject, it's abundant on the internet.
@Maurice, I have the VSX headphone and tbh I use them a lot without the included software, sometimes I even prefer using them with Sonarworks, but my computer is not the fastest, it's a bit slow so I tend to avoid software programs that takes a toll on the CPU. I like the comfort of the VSX, they are light and the pads feel kind of nice. But I don't have proper studio monitors or a treated room or even access to a car at the moment so it's a little bit hard for me to judge my mixes at the moment and I've only had the VSX's for a couple of months, but they feel nice and I like using them.
@Maurice Robinson , the consequence of not ideal positioning has effect on the stereo image (which can be remedied by checking this with headphones), but being too close to walls, ceiling and corners has effect on mainly the mid representation of the sound, exaggerating it. the further you position your monitors away from the walls, the less prominent this effect is. In my experience a little amount of room sound when mixing isn't a disaster, after all the effect is the same in all the music you listen to so your ears are familiar with it and compensate for it. If you do a listening test with a sinus wave on all low frequencies you will find out which frequencies will be amplified or attenuated by room issues. That occurs mainly in the bass and sub bass region. Changing position might improve on some frequencies, but might make others worse. Most important is that you are aware of which frequencies have issues, so you can take that into account while mixing the low end.
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